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republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa damon, one of the few reporters inside syria, right now. >>> in syria there's a sense of growing urgency and anxiety. we will get to why in a moment. first, i would like to show you some images that are quite frankly very disturbing and we want to warn you, extremely graphic. but above all, they are a reminder of why we care so much about this story. why we have been devoting so much time to covering it. we think it's important for the rest of the world to see what's happening to the syrian people. according to the opposition, a government air strike hit a residential area in south-central aleppo, killing 20 people an
republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa...
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republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, at ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa damon, one of the few reporters inside syria, right now. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting through all the political spin. because for o
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republicans have to come into this and put something on the table. >> cornel belcher, mary matalin, thanks very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, @ac360. >>> new signs in syria that recent gains scored by rebels may be triggering a brutal response from assad's forces. meantime, word that the united states is weighing new strategies for getting involved in the conflict. a lot of late-breaking developments to cover. we will get a report from arwa damon, one of the few reporters inside syria, right now. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. offering some of our best values of the year. those little things for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's rig
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belcher's coaches say fierce determination made him a starter. kansas city chiefs players say they never saw warning signs in the recent behavior. the teammate called on to replace belcher in the line-up. young age. high profile jobs. he's a young father. did you ever get the sense that he was struggling to deal with pressures? >> we never seen anything. he never gave up a sign. or pressure was too much. he was always happy. >> reporter: did he ever experience troubles of his personal life? >> no major troubles in his life. everybody has some issues in their personal life. i mean, all of us here have issues in our personal life. and everybody handles issues differently. he seemed like a strong-willed individual to me. he's a leader. he was sitting in the front of the classroom. he's a first to the drills. i'm not a psychologist. i don't know what made him snap. >> reporter: perkins' family spokesperson said there were never any signs of trouble in the relationship, described them as loving couple and belcher never abused her the family says and t
belcher's coaches say fierce determination made him a starter. kansas city chiefs players say they never saw warning signs in the recent behavior. the teammate called on to replace belcher in the line-up. young age. high profile jobs. he's a young father. did you ever get the sense that he was struggling to deal with pressures? >> we never seen anything. he never gave up a sign. or pressure was too much. he was always happy. >> reporter: did he ever experience troubles of his...
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saturday was not the person who jovan belcher was. he was incredibly passionate, loving individual. he enjoyed everything he did. i'll always remember him with a smile on his face. he had a huge smile, great smile, infectious smile. excuse me. that's the picture that i have of him. he cared. he loved, had such a big heart. loved so many people. and the feeling was mutual. he was loved by so many. it's an incredible tragedy and very difficult to come to grips with. >> it's difficult for many people to come to grips with. because everybody says oh, there was no history of domestic violence in his past. but there are reports out there that he did have one experience while he was at maine. do you know about that? where he became so angry, he put his fist through a wall or glass window? >> he -- there was an incident with -- where he did put his fist through a window. to me it was our freshman year. he was 18 or 19 years old. i always credited that to an immature decision, a decision that i actually have another friend who has done the sam
saturday was not the person who jovan belcher was. he was incredibly passionate, loving individual. he enjoyed everything he did. i'll always remember him with a smile on his face. he had a huge smile, great smile, infectious smile. excuse me. that's the picture that i have of him. he cared. he loved, had such a big heart. loved so many people. and the feeling was mutual. he was loved by so many. it's an incredible tragedy and very difficult to come to grips with. >> it's difficult for...
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who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have got to get some place why violence and gun violence is not a solution for all of our issues and conflicts. i do think, you know, there is something wrong when we had over a million people killed in our country since bobby kennedy and dr. king were assassinated by guns in 1968, you know, i think we need to have tougher gun laws. i do think, you know there needs to be better security for the athletes. i've counseled a number of athletes who i cannot name, but said the reason why they carry guns is because they fear for their own safety. >> the athletes themselves. >> yeah, but the problem is when they turn around
who knows, but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe, if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> now, kevin, a lot of people could say jovan belcher could have killed his girlfriend without guns, he's listed, you go to the kansas city chiefs website, 6'2", 228. what is your take on what bob costas, very impressive sportscast, stepping into the fray. what do you make of what he said? >> in my cnn.com blog, i say we have...
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our prayers and condolences go out to the family of jovan belcher. they are also grieving. >> reporter: earlier that morning belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins. the couple leaves behind a 3-month-old baby. >> i know that she really was excited and loved that baby. and she's just a beautiful person inside and out. >> reporter: fans tailgated, but the shootings hung heavily over the stadium. >> it's not the celebratory atmosphere that it usually is. >> first instincts i had was what are they going to do? are they going to play the game or postpone it? >> reporter: before kickoff, a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence and their families. belcher's name was not mentioned, but it didn't have to be. >> obviously, there was some deeper issues that none of us knew about, and it's just sad that it had to happen the way he did and he couldn't get help. >> reporter: in belcher's hometown of west babylon, new york, a vigil for the former high school star whose life and another were cut short by his own hands. >> our prayers a
our prayers and condolences go out to the family of jovan belcher. they are also grieving. >> reporter: earlier that morning belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins. the couple leaves behind a 3-month-old baby. >> i know that she really was excited and loved that baby. and she's just a beautiful person inside and out. >> reporter: fans tailgated, but the shootings hung heavily over the stadium. >> it's not the celebratory atmosphere that it usually is....
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that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad morsi blocked the high court from indefinitely suspending all court sessions. that would suspend a ruling on the drawing up of egypt's new constitution. president morsi declared his decisions are now immune from judicial oversight. >>> it is a frightening and deadly scene in japan. just look at this. at least two cars are still trapped inside a highway tunnel after a massive section of the concrete structure collapsed. police say they have already found several burned bodies inside the rubble about 50 miles west of tokyo. it is not clear what caused the tunnel to cave in or how many cars were inside
that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad...
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that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt like they were in any danger. at least that's according to police. but then he shot himself right in front of them. the police now know exactly what happened. what they're trying to figure out in this investigation is obviously why it happened. >> yeah, i mean 25 years old. he'd been really just sort of a, an underdog in a lot of ways and he'd been so successful in that. there have been six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in the past two years. which is an unprecedented number. what are they looking in
that belcher said to him? >> well he hasn't said what belcher said to him specifically but what police have said is that belcher expressed this thankfulness to coach crennel and chiefs organization from giving him a chance to play in the nfl. he was from a small university and he worked really hard to get where he was. there was another member of chiefs staff who saw that he had a gun and called 911. the chiefs staff members who confronted belcher in the parking lot said they never felt...
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belcher shot and killed his girlfriend this morning at their home. minutes later, he drove to the headquarters and shot himself in front of the coach and general manager. the couple leave a three-year- old daughter. >>> the chiefs will host the panthers tomorrow. the game will go on as scheduled. >>> ahead, we'll try to lighten the mood a little bit. the w's trust me, you'll want to see this shot again and again. don't move! ,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your golden state warriors.p 5 late in the >>> hey, guess which nba team has a piece of first place in the pacific division? your golden state warriors! up five late first half against indiana. curry, just two of his 20 for the night. look at this. david lee, offensive rebound. clay thompson, yes, sir, he had 22 points. final seconds of the third, here comes jared jack. good if it goes! 18 joins for jack. the warriors now 10-and-6, tied for first in the pacific division. 103-92, the final. all right. houston dynamo, a handball, against the l.a. galaxy, galaxy won their second straight mls cup, 3-1. it was da
belcher shot and killed his girlfriend this morning at their home. minutes later, he drove to the headquarters and shot himself in front of the coach and general manager. the couple leave a three-year- old daughter. >>> the chiefs will host the panthers tomorrow. the game will go on as scheduled. >>> ahead, we'll try to lighten the mood a little bit. the w's trust me, you'll want to see this shot again and again. don't move! ,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your golden state warriors.p 5...
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absolutely shocked, though, the agent said who knew jovan belcher for a long time. back into the years when he just got out of college in maine. he said he was a very strong family man, had a close relationship with his family. he said he wasn't the type of agent who speaks with his players all the time, but he gave us a story about how jovan was such a caring person. he said during hurricane sandy, the agent lives in connecticut, jovan texted him to make sure the agent's family was doing all right in the hurricane. he said it's absolutely out of character for something like this to happen. no previous run-ins with the law that anyone's aware of. so just a lot of shock here, randi. >> and the child, the couple's child, that child was home at the time, right? who is caring for that child now? >> reporter: yeah, the child was at the home with kasandra perkins and jovan at the time of the shooting. his mother was actually, according to the neighbor, his mother had actually been in town for a couple of weeks for the holidays, and we understand that the child and the mot
absolutely shocked, though, the agent said who knew jovan belcher for a long time. back into the years when he just got out of college in maine. he said he was a very strong family man, had a close relationship with his family. he said he wasn't the type of agent who speaks with his players all the time, but he gave us a story about how jovan was such a caring person. he said during hurricane sandy, the agent lives in connecticut, jovan texted him to make sure the agent's family was doing all...
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jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were completely shocked by this. it seems so out of character. having said that, as you know, there's been at least six current or former nfl players that have committed suicide in just the past two years. murder-suicide unprecedented. however there are some people this morning who are speculating these tragedies could have been linked to undiagnosed concussion injuries. any truth to that? >> well, we don't know if there's truth to it, but it's certainly a natural area of inquiry. the nfl has been trying in the last couple of years to deal with the issue of concussions. as you menti
jovan belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times at the home they shared. then he drove to the training complex behind me and killed himself in front of several coaches who were trying to talk him out of it. police know what happened, now they're trying to figure out and investigate why it happened. that investigation is ongoing. police are not saying much else about a potential motive. >> i think everyone who has spoken out from family members to friends have all said that they were...
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baby girl and belcher's mother. the child is now being taken care of by family members. police are looking for a possible motive in this case. the raiders released this statement in response... the oakland raiders are empathizing with the chiefs organization. our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our nfl family. we will continue to pray for everyone involved. >> i am going to give away these high and headphones www.kron4.com nor cancellation is the latest technology high end .. there is also a cable with a microphone, and controlling music. noise cancellation technology.... . >> we are back at 8:25 >> welcome. you can see the heavy yellow is indicating heavier rainfall. still in the north where it was kidding hit hard. moving south and it was-and getting hit hard. coast should be gone by early or late afternoon. >> it has been a steady and the latest band is bringing heavy wind causing several accidents. we will keep you up to date. >> sports. the golden state warriors continued their solid start
baby girl and belcher's mother. the child is now being taken care of by family members. police are looking for a possible motive in this case. the raiders released this statement in response... the oakland raiders are empathizing with the chiefs organization. our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our nfl family. we will continue to pray for everyone involved. >> i am going to give away these high and headphones www.kron4.com nor cancellation is the latest technology...
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. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used by belcher was purchased legally. belcher's mother has been given temporary custody of the couple's daughter, zoe. >> a picture of suspect george zimmerman released by his attorney reportedly taken by a police officer the night zimmerman shot and killed martin. the bloody picture itself is not new, but the fact it's a high resolution color photo is. zimmerman's attorney says it gives the case more context. >> is it devastating? no. but it's just one piece of evidence that shows what george was going through that night and why he re
. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life...
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they say belcher shot his girlfriend several times. after shooting her he drove to arrowhead stadium where he spoke briefly with the general manager and the head coach romeo krennel before turning the gun on himself. the chiefs decided play the game and won their first home game of the season. before the game players and fans observed a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence. both sides taking a phoept o moment together. the little girl will be taken to long island and raised by his girlfriend's mother. funeral arrangements have not been released for either one of them. jenna: brad underwood in kansas city. thank you very much for that. as many of you know and have heard in the news today, a well-known tv sports personality talked about this tragedy and how it relates to gun control. we are going to take a look at that with our news watch panel coming up in just a few minutes. jon: russia is now urging north korea to call off its plans to fire a long range missile. it's a move the u.s. state department calls a threat to pea
they say belcher shot his girlfriend several times. after shooting her he drove to arrowhead stadium where he spoke briefly with the general manager and the head coach romeo krennel before turning the gun on himself. the chiefs decided play the game and won their first home game of the season. before the game players and fans observed a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence. both sides taking a phoept o moment together. the little girl will be taken to long island and raised by his...
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the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents watch new 3-month-old. do we know any more about why, what was going on behind the scene? >> there's been some talk about some troubles in the relationship between jovan belcher and his girlfriend okay sandra p -- okcassandra perkins. >> there were talks about whether the chiefs would go ahead with the game. for the coach and for the team, everybody is still scratching their heads because the coach witnessing jovan belcher taking his own life. >> imagine the situation. a day before a game, general manager of the team, coach and assistant coach were trying to talk to belcher, trying to talk him out of what he was about to d
the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents watch new...
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no mention of belcher by name. police say belcher shot and killed his girlfriend cassandra perkins at their home and then drove to the chiefs training facility near arrowhead stadium, took out a gun and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. belcher and perkins were parents of a three month old baby girl, who was in another room at the time of the shooting. she was not hurt. the chiefs won today. they beat the carolina panthers only their second win of the season. that's of course nearly over. following the game. players from both teams gathered at the center of the field in prayer. >> well, the taliban sparking a two hour gun battle at a joint u.s. afghan air base today. we're told two cars packed with explosions barreled toward the main gate of the air base in eastern afghanistan. one of the cars blew up at the gate and guards started shooting at the second vehicle before it also exploded and american helicopters joining the fight and three afghan workers killed, and two afghan students caught nu
no mention of belcher by name. police say belcher shot and killed his girlfriend cassandra perkins at their home and then drove to the chiefs training facility near arrowhead stadium, took out a gun and shot himself in front of his coach and general manager. belcher and perkins were parents of a three month old baby girl, who was in another room at the time of the shooting. she was not hurt. the chiefs won today. they beat the carolina panthers only their second win of the season. that's of...
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. >>> new this morning, was there another woman involved in the murder-suicide of the chief's jovan belcher? and the u.s. reacts to israel's plans to build and expand settlements. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. flavor, meet food. it's time for swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth in easy to use packets. mix it into skillet dishes, for an instant dose of... hell-o! [ female announcer ] get recipes at flavorboost.com. >>> the flu season has already kicked in with a vengeance for some. cases are arriving in five southern states and doctors are urging people to get flu shots. >>> the palestinian envoy to the united nations is condemning israel for plans for new settlements. and the united states says the construction would be damaging to prospect of renewed peace tal
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player vovan belcher. police say he killed his 22-year-old girlfriend and then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coach and general manager. the two had reportedly been arguing frequentbely before the incident. >>> police in miami say the driver that caused a deadly bus crash there was not familiar with the area and drove in to a concrete overpass. two men were killed. federal records show the bus company, though, does not have any violations for unsafe driving. aides to former president george h.w. bush expect him to be released in the coming days. bush 41 is in stable condition at a hospital in houston where he is being treated for a cough related to bronchitis. those are the top stories right now. back to you. >> shannon: peter, thank you. >>> u.n. ambassador susan rice is on the short list to replace secretary of state hillary clinton. but it would be controversial choice for obama, one that key republicans say they plan to block. here for a former balanced debat
player vovan belcher. police say he killed his 22-year-old girlfriend and then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coach and general manager. the two had reportedly been arguing frequentbely before the incident. >>> police in miami say the driver that caused a deadly bus crash there was not familiar with the area and drove in to a concrete overpass. two men were killed. federal records show the bus company, though, does not have any violations for...
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new details about the final hours of jovan belcher apartments life. he spent the night with another woman before going home in the morning fighting with his girlfriend, cassandra perkins and shooting her repeatedly. many people report he was drunk the night before and spent the night at the home of another woman. dr. keith ablow is here. take us through the details. he fell asleep in his car outside the home of another woman, woken by the police inside the car, went inside the building, spent the night there and then in the morning he went home. when he went home is when all this happened. put it together. >> there is a little girl with no parents, there has been a murder and suicide. now comes the task of trying to explain what might seem to be the inexplicable. what we do know seemingly is there a long tphaoeuft drink involved, perhaps there is another woman involved. what we do know is that this fellow has a history of violent altercations with women. back in 2006 and 2007 one involved breaking a window, nearly severing his thumb and cutting his wr
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javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't have the facts . no one will know whether or not he would have killed her with or without a gun. >> brian: people with guns can get them. >> steve: he had them legally. >> brian: illegally? >> steve: legally. >> brian: i just don't know it is appropriate enough less than 24 hours after the guy took his girlfriend and mother of his baby to make that stance. i don't think we needed to hear that last night. >> steve: i think you are right. 10 after the top of the hour. >> gretchen: a dope smuggler rams his boat in a another boat. the coast guard
javon belcher's actions will be analyzed. but here is what i believe if javon belcher didn't possess a gun. he and sandra perkins would be alive today. >> gretchen: i don't know it is interesting. you can't say that. when people want to kill other people . there is a lot of ways to do it i don't know. would the rage come out in a different way? would he have strangled her? i don't know if anybody knows quite frankly and it is dangerous to kind of make personal predictions when you don't...
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martha: belcher is not the first nfl player to recently take his life. junior say oh and dave diewr on both died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. we'll talk to jim coming up in the next hour. >> 6 minutes past the hour. former president george herbert walker bush waking up in a houston hospital. said to be in stable condition being treated for a bronchitis-related cough. he's 91 years old. he has been visited by several of his children including former president george w. bush. hopefully he will be going home very soon. martha: there are around the clock demonstrations in egypt as president morsi and the muslim brotherhood push through a hard-line islamist constitution. morsi supporters blocked them from entering the courthouse in order to give a ruling on this constitution. steve harrigan joins us from there. where do we stand now with this constitutional court having no ability to rule at this point? >> reporter: the most unusual situation in cairo where you have egypt's top court whose judges now say basically they are afraid to do their job. they we
martha: belcher is not the first nfl player to recently take his life. junior say oh and dave diewr on both died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. we'll talk to jim coming up in the next hour. >> 6 minutes past the hour. former president george herbert walker bush waking up in a houston hospital. said to be in stable condition being treated for a bronchitis-related cough. he's 91 years old. he has been visited by several of his children including former president george w. bush. hopefully...
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jovan belcher's murder/suicide led to another controversy for the nfl this year. the league that has dealt with deaths of current and former players, concussions, high profile lawsuit and bounties. the question on sunday, should the chiefs have played the game with carolina just a day after belcher and kasandra perkins' deaths. that's just one topic that nfl commissioner roger goodell addresses in this issue of "time" magazine. the senior editor wrote the piece and joins us now. welcome. >> good morning, carol. >> so what did the commissioner tell you about belcher and the decision to play the game on sunday? >> yeah. you know, his reaction was -- he was stunned. he gets a phone call from his director of security and hearing the details and he can't believe what he's hearing. he starts to hit the phones and he knew that there was pressure not to play the game and there were thoughts on that side. you know, he reached out to the chairman of the chiefs and told them to please seek feedback from the players. he basically deferred to the players. the feedback he was g
jovan belcher's murder/suicide led to another controversy for the nfl this year. the league that has dealt with deaths of current and former players, concussions, high profile lawsuit and bounties. the question on sunday, should the chiefs have played the game with carolina just a day after belcher and kasandra perkins' deaths. that's just one topic that nfl commissioner roger goodell addresses in this issue of "time" magazine. the senior editor wrote the piece and joins us now....
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linebacker jovan belcher reportedly killed his girlfriend yesterday and then drove to the stadium where he killed himself while his coaches and teammates watched in disbelieve. ed lavender are is in kansas city, missouri right now and, ed, this has been a tough day for the coach, a tough die for the players, what did they say after the game? >> reporter: you know this team, despite having faced this tragedy just a day before this game was scheduled, it went on as planned here in kansas city. a very subdued feeling inside the stadium throughout the game. this was clearly not a typical nfl football game. a much different mood in kansas city, known for having very vivacious and excitable fans. despite owl of this that the team was dealing with the saincs won the football game. >> it's hard when things happen like this, you can't undo them you have to rely on your family and friends and rely on your ith. that's what the team tried to do today and we were able to do that and try to work our way through the tragedy. and knowing that it's not over today, it still will go on tomorrow, the next
linebacker jovan belcher reportedly killed his girlfriend yesterday and then drove to the stadium where he killed himself while his coaches and teammates watched in disbelieve. ed lavender are is in kansas city, missouri right now and, ed, this has been a tough day for the coach, a tough die for the players, what did they say after the game? >> reporter: you know this team, despite having faced this tragedy just a day before this game was scheduled, it went on as planned here in kansas...
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. >> kansas city chiefs jovan belcher has committed suicide after allegedly killing his girlfriend. he allegedly shot his girlfriend multiple times at the couple's home. the paper said the two had been arguing. he then drove to a practice facility at the chiefs arrowhead stadium, woalked up to had coac and general manager, thanks them for what they had done for him, then shot himself in the head. joining us, nfl senior reporter, don banks. what do you know of this? how do you put it into perspective? >> it's a pretty unique situation in terms of nfl history. i think this is really the first time we have ever had this situation where a double murder and a player committing suicide the day before a game is scheduled in that stadium in that city. it's a tragedy. i think the nfl is little bit working without a map because they never had a situation quite this immediate to deal with, and quite this tragic. >> and what is so incredible about this is clearly, by thanking, reportedly, his coach and the general manager, i mean, they must be replaying that moment, you know, when he pulled the
. >> kansas city chiefs jovan belcher has committed suicide after allegedly killing his girlfriend. he allegedly shot his girlfriend multiple times at the couple's home. the paper said the two had been arguing. he then drove to a practice facility at the chiefs arrowhead stadium, woalked up to had coac and general manager, thanks them for what they had done for him, then shot himself in the head. joining us, nfl senior reporter, don banks. what do you know of this? how do you put it into...
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just 24 hours ago when belcher pulled out a gun is and shot himself. that event left this team in shock. shots rang out at this home, the victim 22-year-old cassandra perkins. >> when we arrived a lady came out and said her daughter had been shot by -- she died a short time later. belcher shot perkins following an argument. the two were parents of a 3-month-old baby. just 10 minutes after the murder, belcher was next to the stadium with a gun talking to his coach and general manager. he thanked them for what they did for him. then pulled the trigger. >> as officers pulled up, they heard the gunshot and the individual took his own life. >> reporter: a candle light vigil who fought his way into the nfl as an undrafted player for the kansas city chiefs. former team members can only speculate about the murder suicide. >> you think you control everything. you haven't had the ability to grow up and know that we're not in control of anything. >> reporter: his death follows other player suicides. in 2011 before taking his own life, dave dewerson said he wanted
just 24 hours ago when belcher pulled out a gun is and shot himself. that event left this team in shock. shots rang out at this home, the victim 22-year-old cassandra perkins. >> when we arrived a lady came out and said her daughter had been shot by -- she died a short time later. belcher shot perkins following an argument. the two were parents of a 3-month-old baby. just 10 minutes after the murder, belcher was next to the stadium with a gun talking to his coach and general manager. he...
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he made some pretty controversial comments a day african can city chiefs player jovan belcher killed the mother of his 3-year-old daughter and then drove to arrowhead stadium and shot himself. >> you want some actual perspective on this? well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree, but today said it so well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenience store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will lee more teenage boys bloodied and dead. handguns do not enhance our safety. they exacerbate our gnaws, tempt us to escalate confrontation rather than avoiding it. >> pretty clear what he was saying. howard kurtz from cnn's ""reliable sources" "joins me live now by skype. quite a discussion has erupted since those comments were made, howie. is that a legitimate conversation that we should all be having about what bob said? >> well, it's an important conversation, ashleigh, but by stepp
he made some pretty controversial comments a day african can city chiefs player jovan belcher killed the mother of his 3-year-old daughter and then drove to arrowhead stadium and shot himself. >> you want some actual perspective on this? well, a bit of it comes from the kansas city based writer jason whitlock with whom i do not always agree, but today said it so well that we may as well from the end of his article. our current gun krul tour, whitlock wrote, insures that nestic disputes...
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they have now identified the name of that player, jovan belcher is what we're getting according to the associated press. more details from elizabeth as the day continues. again, a very sad story to report, a 25-year-old player from the kansas city chief commits suicide in front of the general manager and his coach after allegedly killing his girlfriend. still under investigation. kelly. >> kelly: for northern california bracing for another round much severe storms 24 hours after getting slammed by heavy rain and strong winds and the area is now gearing up for a second lashing. and a third storm is moving in tomorrow morning. already, the weather is left thousands in the dark and left massive delays on roads and airports, but the biggest concern is flooding. >> and it's an amazing amount of water in the time we had and if we've got three more days of this there's no way that the banks are going to hold that, no way. >> the flood water, it's pouring a foot high over this, this embankment right here. >> the amount of rain that was hitting at that hour, we had an unbelievable amount of rai
they have now identified the name of that player, jovan belcher is what we're getting according to the associated press. more details from elizabeth as the day continues. again, a very sad story to report, a 25-year-old player from the kansas city chief commits suicide in front of the general manager and his coach after allegedly killing his girlfriend. still under investigation. kelly. >> kelly: for northern california bracing for another round much severe storms 24 hours after getting...
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became the bloodiest says they'll prising things the president began two weeks ago cairo based reporter belcher told me the latest. right now i have to hurry square work the scenes. the have been scuffles on the square here behind me outside the presidential palace i tried reports that the clashes have broken out during the day but basically we've seen very violent scenes overnight my colleague tom barton was there reporting from the scene we're about as close as we cracked to the fighting here in central cairo near the presidential palace a few. muslim brotherhood supporters up there is pelting stones to see morsy persisters here who are giving as much stones back to the crowds are flowing to and fro injuries are going carried back when their stores with head wounds and other wounds from the flying stones moment talk can't tales are being thrown the buildings were a set your alarm set on the fire so it is an immensely violent situation even just send it from an earlier in the day when the person who is supporters arrived at the un to you know see a protest has come dismantled that i'm attached
became the bloodiest says they'll prising things the president began two weeks ago cairo based reporter belcher told me the latest. right now i have to hurry square work the scenes. the have been scuffles on the square here behind me outside the presidential palace i tried reports that the clashes have broken out during the day but basically we've seen very violent scenes overnight my colleague tom barton was there reporting from the scene we're about as close as we cracked to the fighting here...
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and for more details let's not go to cairo where joined live by reporter belcher good morning but also how there been any signs of violence outside cairo. absolutely so not only are we witnessing violence outside the presidential palace has been described by eyewitnesses just now and we're seeing violence in other cities like a sewer is an area. and pro morsi supporters are meeting in clashing in particular the headquarters of the muslim brotherhoods have been attacked which is which has already happened last week during these clashes between rival protest groups following morsi is what they called power grab constitutional declaration we want himself sweeping powers and of course the constitution which is being put to referendum supposedly next week which many of the opposition groups seized in the gist of this yes and what's been the official reaction to what happened in the direction capital overnight. the i mean the reaction really and from of the fischel level has been almost minimal president morsi has yet to come forward and addresses opposition which has been one of the major c
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but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the face, resulting in a bullet through the heart. it results in a double-murder in this case, a murder/suicide. guns don't protect. they cause suicide. >> let me bring in -- >> they cause suicide? >> i can promise, i'll get back to you, carol. here is what they say to me. i've had it all. but trying to get a debate going. i've been on two years on cnn. in that time, there's been a series of gun rages. each time it is the same debate and nothing gets done about it. 300 million guns and you have between 11,000 and 12,000 guns and murders a year. by comparison, britain has 35 as does germany and aust
but stretching from javon belcher and the shooting in syria and chemical weapons seems like a bit of a stretch. the implications of that is that every american should have access to chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. it will result in weapons ownership. look at europe. look at japan. look at the rest of the world. we are way, way out there. we have the highest murder rate in the world. it hasn't protected us. it has resulted in arguments that should have a consequence of maybe a slap in the...
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palace in cairo which reportedly falls they gyptian lead it to flee the building cairo based reporter belcher has more cars. i was that in the march tenth out of tens of thousands of protesters coming from various locations in cairo converging in front of the presidential palace in a suburb of cairo when they got there they were greeted by police behind barbed wire and really i mean speaking of the protesters they felt like they wanted to protest the walls of the presidential palace to the president not to what they said was a bunch of police so what happened is they broke through the barbed wire which obviously was met with the same tear gas so quite low take asked by the police who actually fled eventually and the tens of thousands of protesters continue and had their protest there in front of the walls right now as you can see behind me got an ongoing sit in the hundreds that sleeping in on the hunt square and in addition we've got hundreds outside the presidential palace also staging a sit in the national salvation front which is the kurdish opposition forces they have three points that t
palace in cairo which reportedly falls they gyptian lead it to flee the building cairo based reporter belcher has more cars. i was that in the march tenth out of tens of thousands of protesters coming from various locations in cairo converging in front of the presidential palace in a suburb of cairo when they got there they were greeted by police behind barbed wire and really i mean speaking of the protesters they felt like they wanted to protest the walls of the presidential palace to the...
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listen as belcher's mother is in hysterics. >> she is still breathing. please hurry. >> she's been shot? >> yes. >> right now is she awake? >> kasandra stay with me. do you hear me? stay with me. >> so sad. a police officer later gets on the phone and tries to get information about belcher from his mother. >>> 27-year-old actor frankie munoz says he's happy to be alive after suffering a mini-stroke last week. he said he was riding his motorcycle in phoenix when he lost vision in one eye. and he felt his body go numb. he should be okay. wolf? still surprising. 27 years old, very puzzling. >> he's lucky to be alive, riding a motorcycle, has a stroke. thank was riding a motorcycle when he had the stroke. >>> one state is about to legalize marijuana smoking, but what could it mean for federal drug laws?♪ ou make me happy when skies are gray ♪ [ female announcer ] you know exactly what it takes to make them feel better. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] that's why you choose children's tylenol. the same brand your mom trusted for you when you wer
listen as belcher's mother is in hysterics. >> she is still breathing. please hurry. >> she's been shot? >> yes. >> right now is she awake? >> kasandra stay with me. do you hear me? stay with me. >> so sad. a police officer later gets on the phone and tries to get information about belcher from his mother. >>> 27-year-old actor frankie munoz says he's happy to be alive after suffering a mini-stroke last week. he said he was riding his motorcycle in...
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bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. don't start enbrel if you h
bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for...
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the javon belcher story is extremely political. the idea we don't talk about it that's a political choice when you choose to decontext annualize something that was such a horrible tragedy. >> you are the best best @edgeofsports. dave, twice in one week, how blessed we are. >> i am a big fan of meredith's work. >> thank you. the feeling is mutual. >> bill: there you go. okay. dave zirin from "the nation," whom we have adopted. it's a great deal. " all right. full "the full court press" on this wednesday, december 5th. stay with us. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, dr. ruth answers all your questions about sex. i mean the ones you can say on tv of course, on say anything. smiles make more smiles. when the chocolate is hershey's. life is delicious. [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet but they're gonna fall in love get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost nev
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god bless his soul and his mom and his child. >> belcher has no history of any controversy, whether it be personal or with the team. in fact, we did get a statement from the team and in part it reads, we sincerely appreciate the expressions of sympathy and support we have received from so many in the kansas city and nfl communities. and ask for continued prayers for the loved ones of those impacted. after the lockdown, the team did hold a meeting. they will be playing the carolina pap they ares at home tomorrow. kickoff at 1:00 o'clock. >> gregg: sad, sad story. thanks very much, elizabeth prann. >> heather: coming up, victims of super storm sandy lashing out at the feds. we will hear from one staten island couple who have taken their anger all the way to the president. >> gregg: plus, how a group of volunteers are helping kids cope with the disaster. >> i told him about fema giving us the run around. i told him about bank of america that doesn't want to hold -- they want to us keep paying our mortgage. >> what did he say? questions? anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas,
god bless his soul and his mom and his child. >> belcher has no history of any controversy, whether it be personal or with the team. in fact, we did get a statement from the team and in part it reads, we sincerely appreciate the expressions of sympathy and support we have received from so many in the kansas city and nfl communities. and ask for continued prayers for the loved ones of those impacted. after the lockdown, the team did hold a meeting. they will be playing the carolina pap...
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belcher in a murder-suicide over the weekend. and the titans receiver shot himself and jr. seau, and atlantic falcon safety, as well, and his occupy showed he had a britain disease linked to repeated concussions. last year the former bears star shot himself in the chest. he left a note saying, please, see that my brain is given to the nfl. he had brain damage related to his hard hits. now this new study, new study that just came out, adding to the body of evidence linking repeated brain injuries or head injuries to brain damage. and republickers have found that 80 percent of people with a history of mild brain trauma later showed signs of damage that can cause depression and dementia. our doctor joins us, a specialist in head and brain injuries. thank you, doctor. a lot of these injuries, and it feels like we are in news from the future on the >>guest: it does. today's story about the boston university report is significant because as you said, more than 68 of the 89 people they studied had some evidence of getting hit frequently. they played professional experts, 55 of the
belcher in a murder-suicide over the weekend. and the titans receiver shot himself and jr. seau, and atlantic falcon safety, as well, and his occupy showed he had a britain disease linked to repeated concussions. last year the former bears star shot himself in the chest. he left a note saying, please, see that my brain is given to the nfl. he had brain damage related to his hard hits. now this new study, new study that just came out, adding to the body of evidence linking repeated brain...
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and that is where team officials tried talking to belcher. police describe what happened next as the officers closed in. >> when the officers arrived, when they were pulling up they actually observed a blackmail who had a gun to his head. he was talking to a couple of coaches out in the parking lot, as officers pulled up and began to park that's when they heard the gunshot. it appears the individual took his own life. >> our nbc affiliate says belcher and his girlfriend had a 3-month-old old child now in family custody. what a tragedy there. >>> we also have breaking news from florida. that is where police are interviewing the bus driver who caused a deadly crash at miami international airport. investigators say the driver slammed into a concrete overpass after missing warning signs. two people died. everyone else on board was injured. officials say the more than 30 passengers were mostly senior citizens from the local area. the bus was privately owned. no word on where that bus was heading. >>> it is one of the most treasured deductions for
and that is where team officials tried talking to belcher. police describe what happened next as the officers closed in. >> when the officers arrived, when they were pulling up they actually observed a blackmail who had a gun to his head. he was talking to a couple of coaches out in the parking lot, as officers pulled up and began to park that's when they heard the gunshot. it appears the individual took his own life. >> our nbc affiliate says belcher and his girlfriend had a...
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"the kansas city star" says kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher is the nfl player involved in a murder-suicide in missouri. jovan shot and killed his girlfriend then drove to a practice facility at the team's arrowhead stadium. shot and killed himself in front of his head coach and general manager. >>> chasing the american dream, it can get expensive, especially if you have to use your credit cards to do it n today's smart is the new rich, christine romans introduced us to a couple who found themselves deep in debt, manage to turn things around with a little help. >>> the baileys are hard-working and modest. jerry is a minister, sue a registered nurse. >> get the coupons, watch what you buying. plan your meals. >> they married in 1992. each had children if a previous marriage, six altogether, wane a big family, there were big bills. >> we had major, major repairs on the house. and the cars and like a new transmission, those kinds of things. and just over a period of time we he massed more and more credit cards. >> reporter: 13 years later the couple was overwhelmed by debt, 92
"the kansas city star" says kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher is the nfl player involved in a murder-suicide in missouri. jovan shot and killed his girlfriend then drove to a practice facility at the team's arrowhead stadium. shot and killed himself in front of his head coach and general manager. >>> chasing the american dream, it can get expensive, especially if you have to use your credit cards to do it n today's smart is the new rich, christine romans introduced...
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nbc news at this point can't confirm that belcher is the player involved. he allegedly killed his 22-year-old girlfriend at the house they shared with their 3-month-old daughter follow that horrible scene, a short time later, he reportedly committed suicide in a parking lot near the kansas city chiefs arrowhead stadium. a developing story we continue to follow here at msnbc. >>> some other stories making news right now. two people are dead after a tour bus crashed into an overpass at miami international airport. three others taken to a hospital. they are in critical condition. the driver was not familiar with the area. >>> former president george h.w. bush remains in stable condition at a houston hospital. the 88-year-old is being treated for a lingering cough-related bronchitis. the 41st president has been in and out of the hospital recently from complications resulting from bronchitis. >>> and still no word on who bought the second winning powerball ticket in arizona, although a lot of attention is being paid to this guy. he was in a maryland convenience
nbc news at this point can't confirm that belcher is the player involved. he allegedly killed his 22-year-old girlfriend at the house they shared with their 3-month-old daughter follow that horrible scene, a short time later, he reportedly committed suicide in a parking lot near the kansas city chiefs arrowhead stadium. a developing story we continue to follow here at msnbc. >>> some other stories making news right now. two people are dead after a tour bus crashed into an overpass at...
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. >>> this weekend, news broke that kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher killed his girlfriend an then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coaches. let me be clear. we don't know the causes or reasons the reasons behind this tragedy in particular, but we have seen a large number of nfl players take their own lives over the last few years. studies have shown that some of these swidz can be attributed to something called cte. it's chronic traumatic encephalopathy. it's attributed to alzheimer's. some are attributing it to concussion-like injuries. there's new information out, a new study that's making a lot of news. what is in the study, and why is it significant especially in light of what we've just seen happen over the weekend? >> researchers, ashleigh, have been so curious to know what do the brains of these athletes with chronic -- it's the biggest study. it's the largest mof people. they looked at 68 brains on autopsy of people who died and had chronic traumatic encephalopattie. most were athletes. i think this is really going to explain
. >>> this weekend, news broke that kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher killed his girlfriend an then drove to the kansas city chiefs stadium and killed himself in front of his coaches. let me be clear. we don't know the causes or reasons the reasons behind this tragedy in particular, but we have seen a large number of nfl players take their own lives over the last few years. studies have shown that some of these swidz can be attributed to something called cte. it's chronic...
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all of this despite the tragedy at the chiefs arrowhead stadium when linebacker jovan belcher killed himself in the parking lot after killing his girlfriend. >>> as the country edges closer to the fiscal cliff, both sides are digging in their heels on a major sticking point. tax rates for the wealthy. treasury secretary timothy geithner making the rounds on the sunday morning talk shows today, and once again, made it clear that white house will reject any deal that does not let the bush tax cuts expire for high earners. >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, at a time when the american economy was to be exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> joining me, former pennsylvania governor and nbc news political analyst, ed rendell and the co-chair of the campaign to fix the debt here in new york, republican strategist, susan purcell. good afternoon to both of you. governor we'll start with you, both sides seem to be standing firm over what they want out of the fiscal cliff deal this morning. thi
all of this despite the tragedy at the chiefs arrowhead stadium when linebacker jovan belcher killed himself in the parking lot after killing his girlfriend. >>> as the country edges closer to the fiscal cliff, both sides are digging in their heels on a major sticking point. tax rates for the wealthy. treasury secretary timothy geithner making the rounds on the sunday morning talk shows today, and once again, made it clear that white house will reject any deal that does not let the...